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He does have the deciding vote in a tie. I think we can be pretty sure that he will be on the same side of questions that have to do with labor matters as we are.”

It was then that he treated me to this statement, “We are not interested solely in labor matters.” I think that was the first time he said it to me. He was becoming a statesman, not a labor leader. I registered that. I also registered later that he thought it was the role and destiny of labor, or his brand of labor, to run the country. He really did.

Later on Hillman and Wallace came to a vague understanding that Hillman would support Wallace. I'm pretty sure that that happened perhaps the next day or the day after that at a breakfast meeting, if I'm not mistaken. After an interview in which Hillman, and somebody else with him, put certain questions up to Wallace, Hillman decided to support him. It must have been Hillman who told me about it, because I remember thinking then how impertinent that was, as if he had the right to cross-examine people. I wasn't there, but someone told me this. They asked certain questions and Wallace gave answers, and that apparently satisfied them sufficiently so that within the course of the day they were plainly