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to work. We shall have to show them.” He had that sort of intense feeling.

I said, “Are you going to support Wallace for Vice President? Is that what you're here for?”

He said, “We have not made up our minds. I have not quite decided.”

Anyhow, he wasn't a delegate either. I think that there was one man somewhere in the convention who was a delegate and also a member of the CIO. I think he was in the Illinois delegation. He was a member of the garment workers union. I think he was the only spokesman that they had on the floor, but they were throwing their weight around pretty heavily, and it all seemed very useful at the time. And it was useful politically, no question about it.

I remember noticing then that Hillman was unusually puffed up. He was breathing through his nostrils very vigorously. His nostrils were expanding all the time, which was a trick he had when he was feeling very important. I said to him, “I think you should consider Wallace. He's a very good man, perfectly sound on all liberal matters. He will be an asset for the passage of liberal legislation in the Congress. What influence he can establish as Vice President is not much, but it is something.