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the President at that moment. “They're going to have a fight and it's really too bad.”

He said, with a kind of half laugh, “Oh, it'll be all right.”

He said that to me and I think I heard him say it to others. I thought he meant by that that, “They'll fume. There will be some opposition, but it'll work out as the President wants it to work out. It won't be anything very devastating.”

I'm pretty sure he didn't anticipate the quality of this opposition. It was not ordinary opposition, believe me. It came from all over the hall, everywhere. There was certainly a gallery claque, but there had been gallery claques all through the convention. There was the claque down in the basement that kept shouting for Roosevelt over the loudspeakers. There had been gallery claques for several people. I'm sorry to say that the Hillman outfit had carried on a little allery claque stuff against McNutt and against other people who were put in nomination. So the idea of a gallery claque was well established in the minds of people at that time. One had no way of knowing, but one sort of thought that in the galleries there were adherents of various people and they were letting themselves go. The Hillman gallery