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wanted the President to put the finger on particular men at particular places and make them do things. I remember talking with him once and saying, “But the President can't make people do these things.”

“The President of the United States can do whatever he wishes to do,” was the answer. Lewis loves to believe in power, exercised by extra-constitutional methods and outside the bounds of propriety. He once said, “Well, when the Republicans were in, George L. Baer stepped to the telephone and told the President what to do. Now, is Franklin Roosevelt going to listen to John L. Lewis, or isn't he?” He didn't want to do it publicly. He didn't want to do it by the rule of reason.

Well, of course, the President therefore was in a jam. He could hardly look to John L. Lewis to be the leader of labor, because he could see, as anybody could see, that Lewis didn't have a following.

Phil Murray had not then become very well known. Phil Murray really wasn't known until he had his great row with Lewis. I haven't a doubt that the President had met Murray, but whenever I brought any labor leaders in to see him, I had to bring the tops. If Murray came along, he was number two man and never said anything. Murray was very cautious in the way he handled himself