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with Lewis. He never put himself forward. He was always the number two man and kept that role very carefully. Your head came off if you didn't, I gather in the United Mine Workers. Murray was a smart man and he saw that.

Dan Tobin, who was the head of the teamsters and the labor member of the Democratic campaign committee, Roosevelt had a fondness for. He was a lovely rollicking fellow. He again was the kind of a fellow who when you asked him what he thought about any problem, any proposal that would affect labor, didn't have anything to say. He was quite a good politician in Indiana. He stood well with the Democratic Party in Indiana, but he didn't really have any ideas, any political wisdom. So there was nothing you could talk to him about.

Actually Hillman, who had a New York background and that good Jewish mind that's able to think about things, was the one who had some ideas. If the President said to him or to any of that New York group, “What do you think about this?”, they had an answer. It might not be a practical answer, it might not be a sound answer, but it was at least an answer that had an idea in it. It was something you could get hold of.

We, in New York, were accustomed to the garment trades. I remember saying to the President once, “Outside