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I got to know him very well in those two or three days, because I kind of looked out for his food and rest, seeing that he had some kind of reasonable rest. He was very much crushed, but he was very good. He had good and sweet reactions about it. I remember that David Niles was trying to help him arrange the funeral. David Niles was kind of a free thinker and thought Harry was too. He suggested having a memorial service in some hall, like Constitution Hall. Harry said, “No, Barbara believed in God. We better have it in some church.” It was very sweet and pathetic.

I said then, “Well, what church did Barbara go to when she was a child?” She went to a Congregational Church in Iowa, so we went around to see the Congregational minister. It was the same church that Prank Knox was buried from. He was a Congregationalist.

Harry was so sort of naive and good about these things. Then he went to live in the White House at Mrs. Roosevelt's suggestion, which was really a great act of charity, because the child had no hold on life. By this time Hopkins was so completely involved in what was going on and in what his duties were that he couldn't really take care of himself. He wasn't well either. He'd begun to be very delicate in health. I think she