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those arguments. However, after considering those, I thought my plan was the best for the following reasons. I always told him what the alternatives were and therefore I never got turned down. He'd say, “No,” but I never got let down.

I think Claude Wickard came to Washington by the summer of '33. Whether I met him at that time, or not, I can't recall, but I certainly heard about him by reference of more than one person soon after that time. That was that very hot summer of '33. It was an excruciatingly hot summer. We were working very hard. I never knew people to work so long and so hard. I practically never left the office before nine or ten o'clock at best.

We were setting up the NRA during that period and getting it going. There were quantities of people who