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It's really very hard for me to remember all this, because I never had any responsibility to remember anything about him. Whatever I knew about him was purely incidental to something else. However, by 1940 he was both a name and a face.

I should say that I heard about Wickard also during the “purge” in Agriculture of 1935. I heard favorably about him at that time. The purge was a special event. It was noted and notable all over Washington. I know that Wickard had nothing to do with that, but at that time we talked more of, “Well, who is there in AAA, anyhow? Who runs AAA anyhow? What's it doing? What's going on in AAA? How did this situation get going where they had to have a purge?” Wallace was always very secretive. He never talked about it in Cabinet meeting. I'm positive that he never discussed the purge in Cabinet meeting. Things like that are not discussed in Cabinet meeting. They weren't under Roosevelt, at least, and I don't think they are under most Presidents. I don't think things like that were talked about in the Truman Cabinet either. I understand that such things are being talked about now (April 1953), but I jolly well bet a hat that they won't be talked about in the course of a few months. It's a very hazardous and