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wasn't interested in him. I don't think he paid much attention to him. I don't remember whether they continued their fight over. Forestry, grazing lands, and so forth. If that had been pretty well settled by Wallace, they didn't continue it. I don't seem to remember Ickes taking any interest in Wickard.

I think Jesse Jones took and interest in him. Jesse Jones has this terrific fund of dirty stories - good ones, I'm told, excellent ones - and is given to using them a great deal. I think that Wickard laughed at them. I think he told Wickard a good many of stories - never in Cabinet meeting, but on the way in or out, or while waiting around for something to happen. Wickard would laugh and I thank that Jones him. I think that Jones had a friendly feeling toward him. How he treated him on official matters I haven't any idea.

As a matter of fact, dirty stories were not told in the Cabinet meeting. I never heard a dirty story told in a Cabinet meeting. I never heard Jones make a remark once that was humorous somewhat which referred to a dirty story that had been told, but which seemed to be a very familiar story. That was the only time that I ever heard anything that even impinged upon the dirty story. Carner came off with a few cracks, but never a