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usual to them in those next two or three weeks when they were getting out of Washington and moving. Not everybody bothered to go to see them. There's nothing so dead as a Cabinet officer who's through. Nobody pays any attention to him at all. I made it a point to go and see him, to be as helpful as I could in those very painful days when you're packing up to go away. I think it was the very next summer that their two children came down with polio. They had a very hard time. I kept in touch with them throughout that period and did what I could to be friendly and helpful. I like Woodring and I think he's a good citizen, but I think he was caught in an awful situation.

The President was undoubtedly consulting Henry Stimson before he made the change. I'm pretty sure about that. There was consultation over the telephone, I think. I'm very sure the President said, “Henry Stimson thinks this, “or “Henry Stimson's experience would indicate that,” or “Henry Stimson has this idea.” Of course, there were other people who had contact with Henry Stimson who might have been doing the consulting about a variety of things. I'm sure that among other things he had consulted Henry Stimson about the kind of man Frank Knox was and also about the idea of a