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departments the major responsibility. If he wanted some names to look like a citizen's committee, let them advise him, he could take their advice or not, as he chose, but he should give to the Cabinet members of the Council of National Defense the planning and operating program.

I remember he said, “No, no, that won't do. That'll never do. This thing has got to be planned by the citizenry or it will never be accepted.” I really think Harry Hopkins had the ides in mind that the President might yet on ahead with not enough people following him and that you had to have a lot of different kinds of people involved. Because, for instance, I said to him, “You're just putting on people here that are redundant. We've got a Bureau of Women in Industry in the Labor Department. You've got innumerable things all through the government that can do everything that needs to be done. They need to be corralled sometimes, need to be picked out of this department and brigaded with people from another department. But you don't need anybody to study the problems of women in the war. You're got the Department of Education. You've got the Bureau of Home Economics. You've got the Bureau of Women in Industry. You've got everything that is necessary to make a project to look out for the interests of women in tome of a defense program or a war program. So why have Miss Elliott. That's redundant.”