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He, of course, always, at every level, is a man full of pride--I mean pride in the most disastrous sense. No, not vanity. Vanity and pride are two different things. Real pride. And he doesn't even know that pride is a mortal sin.

I once said to him, “Oh, Mr. Lewis, the only thing that's the matter with you is your pride. Pride gets between you and these things.”

He drew himself up and he said, “Pride? Indeed I have my pride. I'm just as proud as the Delanos or the Roosevelts or the Astors or anybody else. I'm just as proud!”

He said this completely mistaking the meaning of “pride”, and I was not in a position at the moment to give him a lecture on the theology of pride, so I let it go. But I recall then, and I have since, that he didn't know what pride was. The truth is that his own curious pride, his sense of self-importance, his tendency to think of what he thought was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, that what he thought and believed and what he desired was necessarily right, and it would be good for everybody to accept it: that used to get between him and clear thinking and clear reasoning over and over again. He would just trip himself up in order to put another individual in the right place.

I mean his quarrel with Phil Murray, when it came, was a





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