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case in point. His quarrel with John Brophy, earlier. His quarrel with other people who had once been leaders in the United Mine Workers, once been important in the United Mine Workers -- these were a desperate picture of his pride. He had to satisfy his pride and get rid of them, no matter how useful they were, or how faithful they were to the major projects of the United Mine Workers.

He had also a strange element that I suppose indicates a certain vanity, as well as this pride. Vanity, of course, is a sillier form of pride.

Interviewer:

Distinguish between the two.

Perkins:

Oh well, vanity is just something like liking to look at yourself in the mirror or liking to see yourself strutting around the streets. You like to see yourself moving in the best society. I mean, he very much enjoyed that, I think.

Pride is that sinful assessing of one's own purposes and one's own intelligence and one's own ideas, one's own desires, as being all-important. You maybe be completely without vanity, and still be deeply sunk in the sin of pride. Vanity is a kind of pretentiousness. Not pride. Pride is a mortal sin. It cuts deep.

Interviewer:

I was thinking lack to our discussion about





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