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Yes, I'm sure he could have.

This is the kind of a thing that can unhorse a man.

Well, it didn't unhorse him. He got caught up on this thing by the utter irrelevance of the suggestion and the fact that the Democratic Party didn't receive it, you see. I don't think it ever occurred to them. I doubt if anybody put his name in nomination, even mentioned his name to the Nominating Committee--you know, the committee that was coping with this, I've forgotten who they were now. I don't think his name was ever mentioned. I don't think he ever made the suggestion to anybody but the President, and let me and Dan Tobin know about it. Certainly Dan Tobin and I didn't put his name in, or suggest it to anybody. I think it was wholly his own idea. I don't think that it ever had any spread at all, and I think that he just felt it was one of those things that could be done.

I don't think he was under a conviction that he was going to be nominated, but I think he was under an illusion that he might be.

Do you think this was the reason why he came out for Willkie?

Oh, certainly it was. There was no other reason under heaven. Was any other ever alleged? No. This wasn't