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much more important. Maybe they're important today, but it's a much more open society.

How about shows she liked? Was she a supporter, for example, of “I Love Lucy” or Jackie Gleason? I know you took a risk on Jackie Gleason.

Oh, yes, she was enthralled by Lucy and Jackie Gleason. She knew he was trouble for me, but she enjoyed the--What was the name of the family?

“The Honeymooners.” Yes, that was a great show.

No, she identified with--

That's what I was asking! I thought she might have liked--!

Yes, but she enjoyed Lucy. Another one she enjoyed very much was Molly Berg, “The Goldbergs.” That probably was before your time. It was about a Jewish family in the Bronx. She just thought Molly was terrific.

She had an enormously busy life. She had so many interests and so many skills that it was a shame that she wouldn't let me get help for her. She didn't want to have servants underfoot. She said, “You get servants and you're going to be living your life for them, rather than letting them be helpful to you. It won't be perfect, but let me do the things I can do. If we need help from time to time, okay, but let's not have people living in, because our privacy will be shot all to hell.” And she was probably right. But even when she was dying, when Jack Rowe, the Mt. Sinai physician, told me that I just had to do anything she wanted, not in any