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a direct cause and effect relationship or not I don't know. I didn't know anything about the details. No one invited me to participate in the planning--which is just as well, because that's not an area in which I have any particular competence. I believe in the division of labor.

Do you think that perhaps the introduction of the Voting Rights Act and other civil rights legislation might have been related to that, but that it's passage was in the wake of the Kennedy assassination when Lyndon Johnson got a lot of legislation through? He had almost the ninety day period that Roosevelt did, did he not?

I think that Lyndon Johnson was a powerful force in helping the federal government, particlarly the legislative and executive branches, to accelerate the civil rights movement. If it were not for the tragedy of Vietnam, and his role, I think he would be rememebered as one of the Presidents who contributed significantly to progress in race relations in the United States. Which I thought was going to have a continuing positive effect, until the last four years.

Did you meet personally with Lyndon Johnson?

Twice.

When was President or when he Vice President or both?