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movement that was close to some sort of racial equity. It was a tragedy, the death of Reuther. He died in an airplane didn't he?

Yes. A light plane. He and his wife died together I believe.

The blacks whom I knew and talked with considered that a major loss.

Were you aware that he was the only major labor leader that accepted A. Philip Randolph's invitation to address the founding convocation of the Negro American Labor Council?

No I wasn't aware of that.

In his organization at Solidarity House in Detroit, did you know of a person named Horace Sheffield?

I've heard the name. You're asking me questions now the answers for which I have no personal involvement. You know, as I told you I believe in division of labor.

Another personal question about A. Philip Randolph. Did he ever discuss with you his feelings toward his wife and his concern for his wife?

I knew his wife. In fact, when I visited his home, before his wife died (his wife died well before he did), the thing that I