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time when Nixon was benefitting from his anti-busing pandering. I didn't like her. In spite of the attention and respect she was getting from the press, and got after her seconding speech for Carter. Carter's mother said that she should be made--something. Carter certainly didn't agree with his mother on that, and I agreed with him. [laughter]

And of course, she got that attention as a member of the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment inquiry.

She made a terrific impression. She talked with such glowing terms, and in a way that made everyone listen and pay attention to the profundity coming out of her.

You've mentioned Andy Young. I guess you knew him fairly well, too; you spent all night discussing one issue with him.

Yes, with Martin.

You knew him when he was still a Congressman?

Oh sure. Of course, I knew him when he was at the U.N. I went up and cried with Andy when they slaughtered him.

I've read that he was strongly advised not to take that U.N. appointment, that he should stay where he was in Congress, since he was apparently safe.