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three, four thousand members that that person knows what's going on in their hospital. It's an impossible kind of thing.

What we did begin to sense was that as the thing seemed to be breaking our way, in terms of the five percent wasn't coming through, media was beginning to pick it up -- and it's very unusual in a New York City campaign that you can get media attention on a union election. I know the reaction I used to get from Pat Clark at the Daily News. He said, “Look, let's face it Moe. I like you, but I can't get anything.” So I would go past him to the city editor all the time. I was trying to pull everything I could to try to get into the press. We could get into the City Sun, we could hope to get into the Amsterdam News from time to time, and yet then get another blast against it because the Amsterdam had been the only publication that had editorially supported Turner in the last election. So we were always fearful of what the Amsterdam -- but the Amsterdam is such a disorganized paper that the reporter and the editors never know what they're doing. So if you reach a reporter and get a story it gets in, and then the next week somebody else does one. Or, for example, the media -- like the black stations, [W]BLS. By the time the newspapers began to push the thing out -- Newsday, the Voice, the Times, etcetera, City Sun -- I finally was able to get David Lampell to say to me, “Okay Moe, I'll tell you what. I'm going to give you the number of the BLS hotline. I'm going to talk to the guy there. Whenever you have something, call in. They'll put it on.” So this was added to Dennis' role. He had to go to the BLS hotline all the time with something, because then you were talking more directly to our members.

I give you -- my view. I give you from where I sit. Other people could probably put in other pieces that would show -- you know, it's like a big puzzle. You put it all together, and I can't give you all the pieces. I know most of the pieces, but I don't know them as intimately as I know the things I worked on. On the things I worked on, we were able to get the Times interested. We were able to get New York Newsday interested. We always had good ties with Ken Crowe. He never could get around to the thing. Larry Bivens was finally assigned to it at New York Newsday, and was sort of running with it. Whenever I had stuff on the scandal and corruption, bang! He would go with it. Pat Clark at the Daily News became very interested in trying to help us. If a story didn't run that he wrote, he would recycle it for another edition, the Manhattan edition. Or he'd say, “Look, I'll get it into the Brooklyn- Queens-Long Island,” and that's where our members read. And we were always reproducing. Later on, the Voice was always, obviously, a strong ally. Later on we were able to do incredible things, in terms of getting -- I think this is relatively unheard of -- the Daily News and the