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Yes.

Now, as we referred to briefly before, it was at that time that Donovan wrote up the definition of what an editor-in-chief would be, and it was passed as a board resolution.

Yes.

What was that about?

That was--I've got to step back. He, and I, Linen, even Shepley--no, no Shepley--well, leave out Shepley--were directly appointed by Harry. We were sort of--we had been directly anointed. And we understood, sort of, the “rules” of the game. There were a lot of directors who felt that the editor-in-chief should report to the C.E.O., and Hedley was trying to protect--he knew he had no problem with me, but--I now realize why it was written in 1978, because he knew he didn't have a problem with me. What he was afraid of was that the next editor-in-chief would gradually be reporting to the next C.E.O. And he wanted the board to agree to the independence of the editor-in-chief. And that's why he did this.

So is it accurate to say he was not only worried about whether Grunwald would have the presence that he had and the power, the personal power, to retain his independence, but he was also concerned about this new C.E.O., who had never have had any connections with