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very favorable and so forth, and Carmine, with the services of Jim Leff, who's a brilliant judge today and at that time one of my enemies (today he's a good friend); he was Carmine's lawyer, and I'm sure became a judge because of Carmine simply having enormous power to select judges even when he was not district leader or county leader; it happens that Jim Leff is probably one of the two or three smartest judges in the state and one of the most ethical and I'm glad he's a judge, but there's no question in my mind that Carmine had something to say about that; it was a reward, I'm sure in part, for the services that he had rendered to Carmine and to the county -- nothing illegal in that -- I don't mean to suggest that there's anything illegal in that, and I'm sure that no money was involved, and that Carmine selected someone that was first-rate; I'm glad that he did because Jim is good; I voted for Jim Leff when he ran for Court of Appeals and I'm just sorry he lost because he was the best of the group that ran), brought a lawsuit to set aside the election. And eight months later I'm up in the Bronx on the Grand Concourse assisting Jim Scheuer in his election. He'd asked me to come up there. A telephone call came at his apartment for me. I get on -- I can't remember who the caller was, someone involved in our lawsuit. He says, “The Court of Appeals has ruled there will be a new election for Carmine.”

This was sort of devastating, to have to go through another election. This is now 1964. So I said, “All right, what can we do?”

Then the next day the Villager comes out with a front page