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He said, “Well, you know, those people in the Army and Navy and Air Forces, they know how to treat you. The doctors do nothing but try to defeat me in Alabama.”

I said, “I know, but Jesus Christ wasn't appreciated in his time either, and you're really doing something for human beings that is not appreciated but it's a sacrifice and something that humanity needs.”

He didn't take the committee chairmanship, and he doesn't get a great deal of applause from anybody but me that I know of except his wife.

But what you said was something he knew.

He knows that's true. Then he has the seniority in the Senate and he's friends with all the Southern Senators. He's a ruler of the club, and few people wish to go against him except in civil rights. Of course this civil rights thing has been terrible, but in all other issues he's very likely to be on the right side.

He's the natural leader of the Southern group? Isn't Senator Russell?

Russell is the leader of that group.