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entitled to occupy the floor - there's a license for 32 persons, or 132, depending on exit space. That means that the exits are sufficient to get that number out. The exits have all been rebuilt, fire-proof enclosed. They've got fire-proof, self-closing doorways on them if there is anything more than a very, very light occupancy. They've all got two means of exit, and more if necessary.

It seems to me that I personally spent the largest part of the year with this group. I formed an advisory committee eventually on which I put Mr. Kirkus and the other long-faced man. On it I had Mr. Porter and Mr. Rudolph Miller, who by this time had become a great friend of mine. I guess I apologized to him. He was Superintendent of Buildings for the City of New York and a very intelligent and learned man, as well as a good fire prevention agent. He had been hurt by my quick statements that there were hundreds of buildings in just as bad a condition as the Triangle Building, but we became very good friends and he worked very hard at this end.

We got these men into conferences. Finally I wangled invitations to speak to their associations. Mr. Robert Fulton Cutting, who in his day was a man of great power and authority, an owner of large areas of real estate in the





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