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really belonged to any organizations or taken much part in anything. She was her husband's wife primarily when she was married to Charles Israels, although after Charles Israels died she had some kind of a job. That brought her out. She had to get work and she got some kind of a professional job. She was very good at it. Then she married Mr. Moskowitz.

At any rate, Whitman had not done what he promised her he would do after this nomination took place. She became very angry. I hadn't seen her for years except casually, but she telephoned me one day at my office and said, “You know Al Smith pretty well, don't you?”

I said, “Yes, I do, I've known him a long time since I went to the Legislature to see things.”

She said, “May I come around and see you?” She did and she said, “I want to work for Al Smith.”

I said, “That's fine. How come?”

She told me the story of how incensed she was at Whitman. She just wanted to defeat Whitman. She was very energetic. She knew a lot of people. She had been playing around on the outskirts of Republican politics and in social work generally so that she knew what was going on and who was who. It was than within two or three weeks from the end of the campaign. I said to her, “Well, what do you think you can do?”