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I believe, begun to deteriorate. I think the person who told me about him said that he had begun to deteriorate. He'd been a much more impressive person in the days of the IWW when he was leading them out in the West Coast. He came from the harvest fields and the West Coast. He was not very impressive. He was big and heavy and pasty. His face was pasty and didn't look healthy. If he was not without one eye, he at least kept one eye half closed. My picture of him is just as clear as can be. As I've said, I have a photographic memory and if I only saw him once, I remember that. One eye was half closed.

Morris Hillquit ran for mayor. Hillquit's running is what brought John F. Hylan in. I must have met Hillquit because I have a picture of him in my memory. He used to come to the Woman's Trade Union League meetings - I'm pretty sure. At least he did it occasionally. I have no idea what kind of a man he was.

I knew the trade unionists rather than the politicians. The trade unionists were not Socialists. I had said that everybody knew everybody, but in this area apparently everybody didn't know everybody.

We knew all the Columbia University people. The Columbia professors were not ostracized in those days. They were part of society and part of the human race. We