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Labor Commission from Tennessee over these years of meeting him, a man named Jacobs. He turned out to be one of my very best friends when I was Secretary of Labor.

Those people went on. There were others that were kind of perpetual. There was an old man named Davie from New Hampshire and he became a good friend. He was a perpetual Labor Commissioner. They had very little law until after John G. Winant became Governor, which was about 1926. Davie was a Republican; he stayed on as Commissioner. But Winant called the tune, so they began having law and administration. Winant set up a Division of Women in Industry. He got a woman who had been in the Massachusetts Labor Department to come up and administer it. Davie accepted it and went along. When I came over to Washington, Davie turned out to be one of my best friends.

There were two or three others from other states. We had known each other as Labor Commissioners or as labor officials. They were all pretty good friends of mine. Also I had worked out my own judgment of some of them and I was able to pull a few of them in the Labor Department when I got there.

What happened in New York in the late '20s really had no relation whatever to the national scene, though it