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in New York City. In those days the garment workers largely touched the Socialist party. I guess all the sewing trades did, though I don't know about the milliners. I don't remember having heard about any union being Communist in those days. It may have been that the fur workers were then known as Communists, but I don't know. In the way the labor people talked about each other, I never heard them call the fur workers Communists. Rose could go into all these sewing trades very acceptably, whether they were men's or women's organizations. She was very good about that. She probably made an awful lot of converts among people who normally would have voted the Socialist ticket which had always had some sort of a vote in New York City. When Morris Hillquit ran for Mayor, he had gotten a big vote, and ever since then there had been a sizable vote, made up mostly of these people in the sewing trades with some additions. Rose, I'm sure, made many converts, telling them why they should vote for Roosevelt for Governor. To a very large extent they were thoroughly reconciled to Al Smith, but they didn't know about Roosevelt. She was a very effective person.

Maude Swartz was also effective. She was a very different type of person. She was Irish-English. Swartz was her married name. Her maiden name was O'Farrell, an English-Irish name. She was a wonderful girl, smart as