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I don't think that Al wavered. Al wrote a series of articles for the Saturday Evening Post, which somebody helped him with. They were written during a period when he was principally engaged in showing that he was right and Roosevelt was wrong. I'm sorry we haven't got more true memorabilia which he himself put down. Al was not awfully expressive philosophically. When he sat down to talk, he talked about specific propositions. He rarely made philosophical observations. He made a philosophic dissertation to the Bishop who tried to tell him how to vote on child labor, but he didn't make too many of those.

I saw him during the campaign and I saw him several times during the last two or three days before election when he got back to New York. Election is on a Tuesday and my memory is that he was back in New York the Thursday before. We probably had a huge meeting on that Saturday night. That would have been the pattern. I think there was a huge Madison Square meeting on Saturday night - a rally. There was hardly anybody except adherents present. You can get many thousands of them easily in New York.

I'm very sure that Al thought he was going to be elected.

I saw Franklin Roosevelt during that period. People had supposed that his fortunes and Smith's were tied