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originated in the back round of the Democratic club of a certain ward. He was the brother or brother-in-law of the leader who had gotten him a good job in the Executive Mansion, but he was a bona fide trained butler. There's no question about that.

That's just a bit of color about their relationships. I think it indicates the extent to which the Smiths really hated to pull out of Albany. The last two dinners that they gave were really saying goodbye to the people. They felt badly about it. Everybody felt badly.

I don't think that can be helped. Al wasn't going to an interesting job. He had lost an interesting, fascinating, demanding job which he loved. He had lost it through no fault of his own, but by having asked for a better one, which he didn't get. I think he felt a little sad. I think they all felt a little separated from something that was very lovely. They hated to pull back to New York and something not very interesting. Al more and more tended to feel that he had to help Frank.

He said, “Of course, I'll be up here all the time. I'll see you. I'll be up here a lot. Frank wants me to help him. I'll talk with you about the Labor Department later.”

I said, “That's fine. You won't be here much. In the nature of things you can't be.”