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1928 convention. I knew intimately the people who were promoting his candidacy. He was a candidate at Madison Square Garden. They were on the verge of nominating him over and over again. I knew him and his wife socially and I knew a number of the people who were sort of promoting him. He was regarded as an excellent compromise. The tactics of the Al Smith group were to see that that moment of compromise never arrived. He was a liberal - at least that was going to be the line. I'm sure he was also out there in 1920.

Jimmy Gerard was there in 1920, and Sumner Gerard. Those were the New York people. Another person who I met for the first time out there was Arthur Mullen. I didn't know him intimately, but I met him. He was a very attractive person, I thought. He was very intelligent and very forceful. He knew what he was about. He was a very vigorous leader of the northern Midwest.

I saw Newton D. Baker a number of times. He was very much a person out there and very much respected. I think he was a candidate out there. There was quite a movement for him. He was a strong candidate in '32, which was based partly upon the solid support he had in 1920. He was a very well thought of person. He was very good and very pleasant to me out there. He introduced me to a number of people.

I wasn't in constant attendance at the convention.