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keep down the costs on the building, because whoever the owner was had hired him to be his agent and operate the place and didn't want to be always paying out money for these ridiculous orders that would come to them. You've heard people talk of the ridiculous orders that the City of New York puts upon them. They're mostly for fire escapes and things like that, which are really essential.

There was this exception of the real estate people and an occasional individual here and there. Outside of that I don't think I saw any determined opposition on the part of employers. Mark Daly, representing a lot of employers, would oppose and make a good argument against having certain codes adopted right now. He usually began with the theory that it was not necessary, that there was no hazard, that nothing could be accomplished by it. But even then they rarely made opposition to having a code. They would make strong opposition to certain parts of it which they thought unnecessarily expensive, but on the whole we got very good cooperation.

Of course, we always sought the cooperation of the employers. We always had on our advisory committee employers who were directly and fully concerned in that industry and who were themselves operating manufacturers, not just stock holders or investors in the industry, but who ran the shop