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to be. I think John Warner and Emily had a cottage down there. Nicholas Murray Butler was greatly taken with him. He was always at Southampton a good deal in the summer. Nicholas Murray Butler used to make a speech on some Sunday afternoon to the residents of Southampton. It was a regular, annual affair. One year Al Smith was asked to make a speech also at the same kind of a gathering and he made a very fine speech, a very good speech, interesting and amusing.

I say all this to indicate that the Smiths, including Al, were beginning to know people who were more sophisticated in their amusements than the people he'd been accustomed to. Although he'd known the very best people in the State of New York, he'd known them in a serious way, rather than in a sociable way. He had known the more serious types, rather than just those who spent time pleasuring themselves.

It was a new experience for him. Like all new experiences in anybody's life, it had its effect upon the attitudes of life. In other words, he no longer could be sold the idea that they were a bad lot, that they were engaged in pressing down the faces of the poor. They weren't pressing down the faces of the poor. They might not think much about the poor, but they weren't engaged in pressing down the faces of the poor. It was a good and broadening experience on that account.

Smith during these years, although needled by Mrs.