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committees. They were Charles J. Hewitt and Eberly Hutchinson respectively. Both of them were very well informed. Hutchinson of the Assembly was a man I grew to like very much. He had a kind of cynical, quizzical way of asking questions. If you told him the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, put your cards on the table, admitted that you were asking for more money than you had last year, showed him just where it was so that you weren't concealing anything, he would on the whole be decent about it. I don't mean to say that he would always recommend and approve what you asked for, but at least he wouldn't carve the inside of the program out. He would leave you something. He taught me a great deal about budget making. He took more pains with me than almost anybody else did. He taught me a great deal about the principles of appropriation, the principles of budget making, the relation of the tax budget to the appropriations budget, what you had to watch for, the value of the bonds of the State of New York, and all that kind of thing. In explaining his position, which was to oppose certain things, he would really lay it all out so that I understood what he was about.

Smith was of more help to me with them than Roosevelt was. They didn't like Roosevelt very well, neither of them. Right away, almost from the beginning, they didn't like him. Of course, they were Republicans and were entitled not to





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