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of all navigable waters for the defense of the country. They're supposed to see that nothing is done that will interfere with defense.

Ickes said to me, “The President is going to kill this. He's going to kill this wonderful project. I wish you'd speak to him. I wish you'd argue it out with him.”

I said, “Well, how's he going to kill it?”

“He's getting the military to condemn it.”

I said, “Are you sure?”

“Yes,” he said, “I know. I have evidence. He's telling the military to say that it interferes with the navigable streams and it doesn't - not at all. It's all been thought out. It's just that he so hates that Moses. God knows Moses hates him. But I should think we could build a bridge without regard to that.”

I'm sure that Moses did everything he could think of to provoke the President. I spoke to the President about the problem on one occasion because Ickes asked me to. I just said, “What's the matter with this bridge? Ickes is awfully upset about it because there's lots of unemployment in New York.”

The President said, “Well, it's no good, Frances. It's just a no good idea. They'll ruin that whole harbor. They'll ruin the entrance to the harbor. They'll ruin