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that night. How the conversation got onto that, I don't know. I suppose I led the conversation around to the social teaching of the church. It was at that time that we were making a little educational campaign to popularize among Catholics the teaching of the encyclical - the Rerum novarum and the encyclical Quadragesimo anno. There was quite a movement to take it around the state, teach people what it was and so forth. We talked about whether that had caught on at Fordham. He mentioned two or three professors there who certainly were aware of the encyclical and what their teaching had been, and so forth.

Henry Morgenthau, Sr. was a great supporter of Smith's and became a great supporter of Roosevelt's when he was being run for Governor. That was, first, because of his belief in Smith, and second, because of his connection with President Wilson and his deep sense of loyalty to everybody who had been in the Wilson Administration. He was deeply loyal to all of them, including Josephus Daniels, Newton Baker, and all of them. He always maintained a great friendship and a great sense of personal relationship with them. He, therefore, had a great sense of personal relationship to Franklin Roosevelt, whom he certainly knew well at that time. He may have known him before, but he knew him well then.

I'm sure that he said to Flynn, “This fellow deserves