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I asked him what they wanted, or what ideas they had. After all, we were in the midst of a very deep depression and I asked if he had elicited from any of the labor union leaders who were around in Hugh Kerwin's office any idea of what needed to be done to relieve the distressed condition of the working people. Well, he hadn't. He didn't know if they had ever had anything to say about the subject.

He, Doak, was opposed to these ideas of public works. He didn't think that was good for anything, but he said that the labor union boys were always talking about public works. I remember that his comment was, “ Much good that'll do 'em.” I said, “You mean you think it won't get into operation quickly enough?”

“Well, I suppose that's it. It'll cost a lot of money and wreck the Treasury.”

In other words, he had not thought about it in any realistic way, not in any concrete way as it affected a man on on a job, or out of a job.

I then realized that I had to prod him if I was to ever meet the staff. I did say, “It's getting towards the lunch hour and I'm sure people will be beginning to go out to lunch. Do you think that before twelve o'clock you could send for all the staff to come in and introduce them to me? After all, I would rather be introduced by you than by