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state labor commissioners, state factory inspectors, workmen's compensation officials and so on. I'm not sure that we hadn't met at the meetings of the American Statistical Association. He was a picturesque old fellow. He wasn't, as a matter of fact, an adequately trained statistician or economist. He was self-taught, but he was honest. He hadn't had the training that other people had had and he kept an awful shop - oh a terrible shop! - padded with people who didn't do anything and couldn't do anything, and padded with untrained and uneducated people to whom he gave jobs. It was badly run and really a mess. Although he was honest and never rigged up his statistics to prove something, he didn't know how to go at it and never could hold his own in statistical debates. I would have been embarrassed if he had still been in office because I would not have wanted him to stay. Yet I would have hated to ask for his resignation since he was a perfectly honest man and had stood by me in this fight. White told me all about that.

Then I said, “What do these two men in the outside office do?”

He got up and shut the door and said, “They do disreputable business for Senators and Congressmen.”

I said, “Oh no, no, now Mr. White, you don't mean that.”