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He said, “They're not above anything. They're low- lived people - both of them. They'll do anything. They don't bother to find out if it's the law. They'll promise anything to a Senator or a Congressman and they'll go and get it done. You want to get rid of them right away.”

I said, “ I thought perhaps it would be useful for me to keep them. If their contacts are principally with the Congress and the Senate, I thought that perhaps in might be helpful for them to stay. They might make clear to me what the relations are. I don't even know who the members of the Labor Committees are.”

He said, “You can find that in the Congressional Directory.” I said, “Well, I thought these men could help me for a little while.”

He said, “You better let them go just as quick as you can. They won't do you any good.”

I listened, but I decided not to act on that advice. I thought perhaps he had a real gripe at them. I saw right away that he was a gripey man and that he had not been very much satisfied with his associates in office.

I then said, “Mr. Doak indicated to me that there are several cars attached to the Department.”

He said, “Yes, two of them are really trucks, One's a light truck and one's a heavy truck. There are also two