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That's an awful lot of people, and they were despotic. I knew from the text of the Wickersham Report that they were not only despotic, but that what they were doing was illegal. They were engaging in raids without a warrant. They raided private houses. They raided private parties, Finnish dance halls over in Brooklyn or in the outskirts of Chicago.

When I say “they” I mean this unit that Doak placed directly under himself. The Section 24 squad was directly responsible to the Secretary of Labor, reported directly to him and to nobody else. They did not report to the head of the immigration service at all. The man who was the head of this group was Murray Garsson. Murray Garsson was the man whom Lieutenant Newman had told me about in New York. He had told me that he was a criminal who had a very bad record and that he did not dare to come into New York personally because he would be arrested. He was a very bad egg and I should watch out for him. He said he was a crook and a very dangerous crook. He would take money out from under you and make it look as if you had done it. He was a very dangerous person Lieutenant Newman said.

Murray Garsson is the same man who, many years later, got Congressman Andrew May into trouble through some kind of a crooked deal on war materials, but he'd been doing.