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for a year or two years before that, you would see complaints that these people raided somebody and then told them that if they paid ten dollars apiece it would be all right. The Wickersham Reports came out in late '31. It is true that Mr. Hoover had Doak in his Cabinet for over a year after the report came out, but I must admit that they did have other problems. They had terrible problems on their hands. However, he undoubtedly had great confidence in Doak. How he could have, I don't know. Anybody who looked at Doak would never have any confidence in him.

Mr. White was another kind of a person. White told me that he had never been called to talk to the President about anything. I once said to him,” You knew all this about this Section 24 squad. Didn't you ever tell the President?”

He said, “I have never had the opportunity to tell the President.”

In other words, they ran a very tight operation during the Hoover administration, particularly the last three years of it. Hoover never saw his Cabinet together, or practically never, as I learned from others. In the last two years the Cabinet, on Fridays, went in to see him one by one. Each Cabinet officer had twenty minutes with him alone. They did not meet, because it was useless to meet. There was nothing to talk about, but one by they had a conference