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wanted to get them out of there and get going on something.

At any rate, I know they were a bad lot. I learned from my conversation with Mr. White that they were even worse than I had assumed or had know. I learned the fiscal situation from him and the personnel situation from him. I learned who they were and how they had been hired. There were seventy-four or eighty-four of them. The Garssons had been picked up, as he said, in the sewer, but he meant from gangster I and through some contact with Doak. Doak had two or three relatives in there. A Congressman had filled one spot with a friend, another Congressmen had filled another. Doak had given important Congressmen jobs to fill, or rather Congressmen who were important to him. They had gotten these jobs for some indigent relative, or something like that. That had kept the Congressmen soft about giving them money and not making any inquiries when heard complaints as to how these people operated. It was really terrible! It just shows it can happen.

In the last week before Herbert Hoover left the Presidency he covered every one of these people with an executive order that gave them all civil service status. That was why when I said to Mr. White, “How am I going to get rid to them now that they're civil service?”, I was just dumbfounded to realize that they had got status, as