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action of some sort to be taken.

The first thing I had decided to do, and this was after a midnight talk in the Pennsylvania Station with Leo Wolman and Sidney Hillman, Hillman being very restive, unable to stand it because four days had gone by and nothing had been done about labor people, was to have a conference at which I would ask the principal labor leaders to come and would try to get out of them a statement of a brief program of first steps at least. I thought it was well to have them participate, to evoke their interest, and to pin it down to a few things that could practically be done.

Also, the President was looking to me for detailed advice and help on the development of a relief program. It was within the first week that Hodson and Hopkins came down and I was the principal liaison with the President on all those matters, both because of being chosen by him and my social work experience and they were cooperating on it.

So that although I had this string of callers, I was also trying to do some thing which required me to do it my self, because I had to telephone. I couldn't ask this secretary of Doak's to telephone to labor leaders to say that the new Secretary wanted to see them. The telephone office would connect me, but I had to speak to them. It had to be more personal. Nobody could do that for me. They