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who were a little off, that not everybody was completely devoted, that they needed to be made more and more of a family. It was that kind of thing. He wanted them all together. So he was delighted with the party.

As time went on, from the autumn of '33 on, one began to see this slight elation of his personality and attitudes and to realize that he was a little over-excited. He began to be great friends with some of the labor loaders. He had a theory that you could bring people over to agree with you by making them personal friends, which is, to some extent, a sound theory of course.

I don't recall the reasons why a considerable number of NRA people had gone to Richmond, but it was probably an NRA rally, of which there were many all over the country, in Richmond. The idea of these rallies was to stimulate the locality to push NRA codes, push NRA compliance in their own locality. I think that was probably the reason. Anyhow, a considerable number of persons had gone down to this rally in Richmond.

Coming back at night after the rally was over there were four or five automobiles that were full. I suppose it was about tem o'clock or so. Hugh Johnson had invited to drive with him in his car a number of people. If was one of these convertibles. He always had that to ride in the