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in the NRA and under his general supervision. Johnson had said this to Wagner and I think he said it to me. Johnson felt it would be a terrible thing to have it outside of the NRA, which was after all the area that handled all the economic apparatus of industry in the United States.

In my book, The Roosevelt I Knew, on page 240 I note that I discussed this matter. I regarded the NRA as impermanent. I had always regarded it that way from the beginning, and I know the President did. It was a temporary agency to stimulate industry and get this going again. Johnson by this time had come to regard it as a permanent function, factor and apparatus in government. I notice that on page 240 of my book I mention that. The book was dictated from notes that were made close to the time.

I countered in talking to Johnson and also to Wagner that if a permanent body having to do with labor relations was written into law by the Congress, it must be established in the Department of Labor, which was the permanent department to deal with all matters having to do with labor relations. On one of these occasions when I was discussing this with Johnson, he said, “Well, when this crisis is over and the recovery program has been really started, there won't be any need for either a Department of Labor or a Department of Commerce, and perhaps for some other