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So Senator Wagner kept pressing. He kept pressing Johnson. Then Wagner began to complain to me, “I never can see Johnson. I get over there and he's gone. I get over there and he's told me to see Richberg. All right, I see Richberg. Richberg and I come to a kind of a reasonable understanding and Richberg says he'll take it up with Johnson. I telephone the next day or the day after and Johnson's gone away. I never get a chance to see him. We can't come to any agreements - by George, something's going to happen. I've got to have action on this.”

Richberg and I talked confidentially. We all agreed that we must agree. Richberg and I came to the conclusion that Johnson was so distracted at the NRA that he never gave attention long enough to one subject thoroughly to understand this proposal of Wagner's and to say yes or no to it. Richberg agreed with me and Wagner that the board should not be in the NRA - at least, he said he did, and I'm sure that was the truth. He thought that would be an unwise thing. Charles Wyzanski, who was my principal counselor of the Labor Department, was very sure that it would be unwise to put it in the NRA, and Wagner was opposed to putting it in the NRA, but Johnson wanted it in the NRA. However, he would never give attention to the matter, never argue it out, never come to grips with it.