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My, we were so polite. We sat around the table and mollified him all we could.

I was aware from almost the beginning that he had again been drinking early. I sat next to him and I could smell it, but still he was not in the drunken stage as yet. I thought he was able to do business. I had seen him like that before. Then we proceeded to explain. Wagner spoke and told him his reasons. Wagner was not a very good presenter of his arguments. He never did marshal his arguments very well. Then Wyzanski took it up. Wyzanski is wonderfully exact. He did a perfect precision job of explanation of what the arguments against having it in the NRA were.

Then Johnson would jump to another point - not where it should be located, but how it should be administered. He didn't approve of this and he didn't believe in that. “That can all be altered,” Wagner would say. “We can agree on that. We can amend the bill for that, but we've got to say where it's going to be located.”

We talked, I suppose, for as much as three quarters of an hour. I saw the glassy look coming over Johnson's eye that I'd seen before - that glassy, way-off look. I knew then he wasn't listening. He wasn't focusing. He wasn't paying attention. He hadn't had enough to drink





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