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when Johnson presented his resignation and had it take effect. When it was presented and when the date was fixed I don't remember at all. It was mid-summer I know.

I don't recall any of the negotiations as to when Johnson's resignation would take place. I left afterwards to go to Brunswick, Maine for the Labor Day weekend and then to a speech in Boston. I remember that, because we had an automobile accident on the way to Boston. The car overturned, but no one was hurt. All I recall, anyway, is that episode when it was clearly indicated that he was to resign.

I didn't have much further contact with him after that. He had been a friend of mine and thought of himself as being friendly to me, but I knew that having been humiliated in my presence he was going to be totally alienated forever from me. That's only human. Whether he thought in his heart that I had done anything to him, or not, I don't know, but he had been humiliated in my presence. A man of his emotional temperament can never like, trust, or have any kind of social relationships with a person, particularly a woman, in whose presence he has been humiliated.

He had previously conceived a doubt about Richberg. When we were having this negotiation about the National Labor Relations Act of Senator Wagner, he had said to me that he didn't trust Richberg after he had said that he