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You see, the labor movement at that time was dead. We weren't dealing with a live thing really. It wasn't vital. Whatever attention we gave to it was courtesy. There was no pressure or no vitality there. There didn't seem to be any necessity for any further statement about it.

When I brought this revised statement to Richberg, to Rifkind, who represented Wagner, and others, they didn't see any difference to it. Wagner didn't see any difference. I know that, because I talked to Wagner about it. He had, after all, more legislative experience than any of us did. He was practically the only person in the whole group that had any basic legislative experience. He thought it was all right, and said, “I don't see it's any different than the thing we agreed on the other day.” We all agreed there was no difference.

I don't think woll had any idea of what he was doing when he put this in. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done it if he had, because look what resulted from it. The CIO resulted from it. Certainly Matthew Woll would never have deliberately evoked the CIO. Matthew Woll is kind of a literary fellow, and it just sounded better. They were always making speeches on Labor Day about the right to organize. It was one of those old phrases that had been used over and over again in Labor Day speeches. It came