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out of the “old backroom over the kerosene lamp” period of labor organization. I'm sure that was it. Woll knew in a literary way, though not in a personal way, that, of course, in some areas of this country the open shop movement had greatly interfered with the opportunity to organize, even though the basic right might remain. I'm sure he didn't foresee what the whole thing was.

Anyhow, we all said, “That will be all right,” and nobody objected to it. Then we held a final meeting. I briefed the President in great detail on this and said that I thought we should have a final meeting. I was beginning to be a little uneasy about Johnson, who had such influence with this group, because things would appear in one draft that hadn't been in the previous draft, when we were meeting in committee. I would question as to how they got in and would get, “Well, Johnson thought it ought to be that way. Johnson put that in,” and so on. Some of these were perfectly all right, but they were sort of surprising. I didn't have any objections.

I said that we all ought to get together and hear from the President, getting his word about this and telling him any doubts we had, giving him a chance to question all of us. I said I would like to bring in William Green with me as an adviser. Somebody would be advising Wagner. Someone