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would be advising Johnson and Tugwell, and I'd like to bring Green. I said, “I think it would be good for him and for you if he commits himself to this in your presence. It'll please him.”

The President was, of course, very quick to see the political vale of that. He said, “Sure. I like old William Green.”

So we arranged this meeting. I posted the President completely on what this draft was. As a matter of fact, that was one of the first times that I began to realize that other people didn't post the President, didn't really give him a complete story and the complete information about what was going on, what was intended, and what the objections were. I would have supposed that he got from Lewis Douglas, whom he saw nearly every day, a complete picture of this project, but I discovered he didn't. I discovered that other people brought legislation into him and only gave him one side of the argument for it or against it. It was about the first time that I discovered that I had to take that responsibility. Nobody else was going to tell him the bad part if I didn't.

I boiled it all down very carefully so that with the draft in his hand I could tell him just exactly what we were proposing, why, and how it would work. He was a man to whom empirical knowledge was much more acceptable than